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Dauid Kent01/10/2008 19:40:00
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hi i have record router table and for the 1st time i have come to use it i inserted the 1/2inch collet extension and a trend panel cutter i also have a trend t11 on the table is i turned the router up to full speed the whole collet and the panel cutter flew out but very luckuly missed me then i checked everything and then tryed it on a low speed and seemed to be ok i then turned it up to full speed and then really started to wobble so i turned it off and took it all down again then i put a 1/4 shank cutter in put it on number 3 reves seemed to be ok what is up with it with the 1/2 inch extension in it. 

                                           dave

Andy King01/10/2008 20:41:00
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Hi David,

 Panel raisers aren't meant to be used at full speed, they are low speed only. Firing them up to full whack makes them very unstable as you have found.
If you look at the Trend website, or in their catalogue they usually have recommended maximum speeds for the bigger cutters. This link: http://www.trend-uk.com/en/UK/safety-UK/ shows a chart with recommended speeds for cutter diameters. (bigger box, bottom left of the chart)

hope this helps,

Andy

Mike Garnham01/10/2008 20:41:00
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The collet and cutter flew out???!!

You are one lucky so-and-so not to have been hurt....

I can only think that the collet wasn't done up properly. I can't imagine it is any fault of the table. If this is a new router, maybe you weren't used to the feel of the collet. If it is an old one, maybe you forgot to do it up, or maybe it is faulty.

Maybe it is the cutter. Could it be that the shaft is bent, or that the shaft is possibly undersized? If it is a new cutter then it may be that it was mis-cast, and is imbalanced.

I suggest trying the 1/2" collet with a straight cutter. If there are no problems it would suggest that the big cutter is at fault.......If you have a lathe or a pillar drill and could give the cutter a spin in that, you may be able to tell if is eccentric........or ask an engineer. Ultimately, if in doubt, chuck it out.

Mike

Nigel Bennett01/10/2008 20:46:00
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Hi Dauid

Make sure the collect locate correctly in the retaining nut, then the extension piece needs to pass in to the full length of the collett . After that the cutter could be incorrectly made i.e. not balanced because its running eccentrically? I have just ordered a trend extension piece for my table ,I'll let  you know how I get on! 

Big Al02/10/2008 07:16:00
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I have had a trend extension collet for about 3 years and have had no problem with it. I think that what andy was stating was probably correct in that when using a large cutter, such as a panel raiser, you should run your router at its slowest spindle speed. Al
Andy King02/10/2008 09:17:00
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Yep, as Big Al states.
The peripheral speed on a bigger cutter is increased if run at the same speed as a smaller diameter and therefore has to be slowed down to meet the same cutting ratios for safety.
Spindle moulders run on far lower speeds than routers for the same reason, and lathes should be slower on bigger diameter stock accordingly.

As others have mentioned, you should ensure that both cutter and collet extension are seated correctly, and check that the collet is clean (no resin build up etc) and is not deformed or damaged. You can actually overtighten collets and deform them.

Also, some collet extensions do extend the cutter a long way and therefore the cutter has a certain amount of 'whip'. (I think the Trend may be one of these - CMT do a similar one) I prefer the Xtreme Xtension sold by Woodworers Workshop www.woodworkersworkshop.co.uk an identical model is sold by Rutlands here: http://www.rutlands.co.uk/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi/XTENSION
These extensions also have a fast release cutter system, eliminating the need for spanners, its a matter of a quarter turn of a hex wrench to remove and replace a cutter.

hope this helps.

Andy

Andy Bell03/10/2008 19:34:00
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Hi David,

I've got a Record table as well it came with a 1/2" extension. First I didn't check that Collet was seated in the nut. It wasn't and I had a hell of time getting the cutter out. That solved, I've found I get excesive vibration from it at speeds over 4ish on my Trend even with a 12.5mm straight bit. I'm thinking it could be a cheap extension Record are supplying or I've buggered the collets at the first atempt. I'll follow Andy K's links and see about a new one.

Andy

Dauid Kent03/10/2008 19:53:00
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hi andy  iue got a spare one which i bought for my trend table its cmt  iue not had chance to try it yet . maybe we should ring record and complain about the extension its no good me ring them we are not the best of freinds after all the problems let me know if you ring them   ok   andy
Andy Bell03/10/2008 20:14:00
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I'll check mine to see if it's something I've done first. I rang them once to tell them the earth bolt in NVR switch was positioned so it shorted to terminals on switch, I altered it myself to get working. They didn't seem very greatful for the info. It's a shame from a British manufacturer/importer.

Andy

Dauid Kent04/10/2008 11:29:00
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hi i bought a pt260 from record power for 15 months it wouldnt work properly it kept chewing up wood i was taking boards with me to show them at shows they said the blades were setwrong so time after time i have been setting up the blades made no difference  so in the end my wife got on the phone they agreed to take it back knowing to be hold it WAS FAULTY !! the out rollers were jammed case 2 they told me the rsde1 would work with a dust extraction system but doesnt CASE 3 rp400 chuck metal flying of the jaws i sent it back and they said it was wear and tear !!!  CASE 4 zam bag for the rsde1 was ripped they wanted that back for inspection seems to me andy record power only want to sell but not repair

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Sparky04/10/2008 15:31:00
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I dont think I'll buy any Record stuff going buy this thread..........either some very bad luck in getting the Monday morning job or Record has got to get a better help and service department!
Big Al04/10/2008 18:23:00
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When I was looking to buy a planer thicknesser, I went to a machinery specialist and had the choice of 3 machines, a sheppach, elektra beckum (now known as metabo) and a record. All 3 machines were exactly the same price. The elektra beckum went straight out of the running as it didn't come with re-sharpenable blades as standard and so it was a toss up between the sheppach and the record. The only thing that steered me towards the sheppach that I bought was that the change over time between surfacing mode and thicknessing was a matter of seconds. I have owned the sheppach for 7 years now and it has seen a lot of action in that time. The only faults that I have had with it was the dust extraction hood broke (it was a plastic one), and I had a local sheet steel fabricator make me a new one, and the knob for adjusting the depth of cut broke. Other than those 2 minor problems my planer has performed really well. After reading the posts regarding the problems with record, I am happy that I chose the sheppach. On a different note, I once owned a record bench mounted bandsaw and had no problems with that and I also had a rp3000 chuck system that I also had no problem with, but that was when record made the tools and machinery themselves in sheffield, whereas now I believe that they have all of their stuff made in china. Al
Dauid Kent04/10/2008 21:52:00
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hi big AL IAM now looking to buy a table saw any ideas  not record 
Big Al04/10/2008 22:34:00
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Hi Dauid, I have got a sip 10" heavy duty saw, I would defiantly recommend it, or if you haven't got the space for it then the metabo PK200 saw package is a good buy. Al
Olly Parry-Jones05/10/2008 09:34:00
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If you're looking for good after sales service then Axminster do an identical 10" table saw to the SIP that Al has mentioned - their after sales service is second to none, in my experience (not that I've had any trouble from Record - apart from the quality of their manuals...)

I have a feeling the Axminster saw may be more expensive than the SIP... Although, it does come with the sliding table/carriage. I think Rutlands also sell an identical machine made by Fox.

I don't own a table saw myself as I believe you can get by without one in the small, home workshop, when you're working alone. They take up a lot of space and, if you can't comfortabley cut sheet materials on one, you may as well get a decent bandsaw. Not that you should man-handle 8'x4' sheets on your own anyway - that's where a skil saw and couple of saw horses normally comes in. I have sliding mitre saw for crosscutting and I get by like this. If I had a larger workshop and was trying to make a living from this though, I'd probably look at buying a saw no smaller than the one Al has linked to.

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