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Derek Lane03/03/2010 22:25:03
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As many of you are aware that I am partial to a bit of pen turning.
 
This involves using super glue (cyanoacrylate) as a finish and as of late I have found that it is starting to effect me with breathing and the like. What I would like to know is
 
1  What type of gas does this produce when heated through friction
 
2 What would be the best protection against it
 
This should get the tiny grey cells working
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Not being a Chemist I am guessing but I would be surprised if I am not close.
 
1.  The vapours given off are likely to be a Cyanide b\sed vapour. Not the sort of thing you should be breathing.
 
2. Your best protection is not to use this product as a Polish.
 
Any material containing Cyanide should be handled with care. WHen I was a Photographer we used to have Potassium Fericyanide in one of the processes. It can be absorbed by the skin and finger nails. 
 
Perhaps more important I would not wish to use a pen which had been finished with such a product  I hope you put a health warning on them.
 
Sorry to be such a Kill joy
 
Rog
Sparky04/03/2010 00:11:45
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 Derek
I would always use a dust/gas mask and in a well ventilated area........
 
 
This was taken from a 'Fuming' site..................
 
1. Cyanide gas is only formed if the glue temp rises above 400 degrees F.
 
2. When dealing with superglue, make sure you do not get any on yourself if you are wearing cotton clothing. Superglue reacts with cotton, and it will burn.
 
 
I also saw Formaldehyde mentioned!
 
 
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Oddjob04/03/2010 09:15:48
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Derek
 
You may not have noticed but, coincidentally, there is an ad on this page for "High Quality Super Glue.  It takes you to sureloc-direct.com.  If you go there and read the health and safety data you will find that cyanoacrylate is highly unlikely to be the cause of your problem.  Perhaps a visit to the Doc is called for?
 
Good luck
 
Richard
Alan T.04/03/2010 19:11:00
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Hello Derek, I also use super glue often but its only when I add accelerator that it fumes.
Used normally it hardly smells at all. If there are serious issues with it's use then surely the manufacturers would be obliged to publicise them. Cheers   Alan T. 
Ralph Harvey04/03/2010 20:10:42
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Derek
 
I like some have suggested think you should be fine using super glue with a dust mask, the trouble you are experiencing is because you are not using it as it was designed so there will be no relevent health warning,
 
Just keep your work area well ventelated and wear a mask, failing that just check at your docs, better safe than sorry
 
Ralph
dennis wake04/03/2010 23:18:58
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hi Derek
   found this coshh sheet hope it helps.>>this< 
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Carbon Monoxide also does not smell. In fact I think you will find other Noxous gases are Odourless and colourless.
 
 
As I said before, I would be very carefull about using any Cyanide basec product, especially outside it intended area of use. Cyanide is onee of the poisions which has a build up ability . Again I would not wish to buy a pen made using such a product and I suspect many others might think twice. Pens are so often put in the mouth and sucked possibly in the belief it aids concentration.
 
Any dust in the lungs can cause problems and a good mask should always be used. If you look at some of the dust related problems. Nasel Cancer discovered in High Wycombe Furnature Makers. This was attributed to hard wood dust. I could go on but at nearly midnight I will refrain.
 
Rog
steve h05/03/2010 13:44:42
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I just put in "asthma & cyanoacrylate" into google search and appears to be a strong link between asthma induced response to the use of this stuff, as you said it is causing you breathing issues, I thought of asthma as I know people who have had asthma induced from chemical compounds -
 
Maybe worth a look Derek?
 
 
Derek Lane05/03/2010 20:00:55
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Thanks to all for the information will have to look into it a bit more before i recommence using this method
Oddjob05/03/2010 21:30:52
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Derek
You can be pretty confident that the tiny amount of cyanoacrylate you have been exposed to has done no damage uinless you have an allergy.  I doubt that the quantities concerned would do any damage if you had eaten it!   The research found on Google (and I have read dozens of  pages of it) only found problems with subjects who were exposed to significant industrial quantities over long periods and a very few (almost negligible) instances of allergic reactions.
 
If you have experienced breathing problems in the workshop then dust is the most likely cause but even then I doubt that you have been exposed to anywhere near enough to have caused a problem.  You have only started wood-turning in recent years haven't you?  It takes pretty long exposure without protection to cause problems.
 
As I suggested before - Perhaps a visit to the Doc is called for?  Allergies to specific substances are easily proven if they exist.
 
Richard

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