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Ralph Harvey29/06/2008 09:30:00
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Funny you should say that Mike the general idea i think applies to the section in the magazine.

Ralph

Olly Parry-Jones29/06/2008 10:12:00
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Mike, looks like you might actually have to open your wallet and BUY the magazine for a change in order to find out...!
Mike Garnham29/06/2008 10:23:00
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God, they didn't print my mickey-taking suggestion to try cove cutting on a radial arm saw....surely?!!!!!! Think how many people are going to cut their hands off then blame me!

The thing about buying isn't (just) about being tight-fisted...........I just hate shops and shopping. I can go years without setting foot in any shops other than builders/timber merchants (they don't count).......and browsing through a newsagents to find a magazine which will just sit in a pile unread.....hmmmmm........well, it's just not going to happen! I don't think Magicalia are going to go bust because I don't buy their magazines!!

Olly Parry-Jones29/06/2008 10:31:00
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I actually thought they were refering to your home-made Table Saw of Death, which I commented on...?

I don't "do" shopping either, which is why I'm happy to live in a time where the internet can see any goods delivered to your door within 48 hours, usually stress-free! If you were a subscriber though Mike, you wouldn't have to go anywhere and you'd get each issue before they hit the shops.... Only joking though! There's a limit to the amount of time I can Googling for items of furniture and inspiration, that's where I need my magazines.

Ralph Harvey29/06/2008 20:01:00
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Olly

Going on what i have seen in the latest couple of issues i wouldn't bother with the subscription ? I have bought it to see what all the fuss was about with the write up on this site, wasn't worth the effort, but that's only my opinion

Ralph

Mike Garnham29/06/2008 21:59:00
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If you were to characterise the 2 magazines, how would you say they were different?
Sparky29/06/2008 23:45:00
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The spelling would be one Mike
Mike Riley30/06/2008 01:22:00
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The spelling Sparky? The bit of blurb at the front of the mag about this site is just that, a bit of throwaway. I have no idea who writes it though I can hear Dave Roberts voice in it. Dave - are you there ? I thought this issue was a particularly good one myself, Andy's pieces - particularly the plough plane piece. Interestingly all the comments about the magazine becoming less arty seem a little odd to me. I thought the opposite and thought the mag better for it. That's my personal interest - I haven't got a great interest inother people's projects myself or at least not it the blow by blow of how they made them. Im much more interested in why they made them. What I make bears no relation to someone else's plans or design usually, I can't remember the last time I read a project piece, or a blurb about jigs or power tool review. Far more interested in the design, process and practice myself. GWW veered over that way under Dave R, personally I hope it stays that way. Cheers Mike
Ralph Harvey30/06/2008 03:00:00
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Mike i am all in favour of each to there own and i agree that the blow by blow account of how to make a project or piece is sometimes tedious, i would much rather read an article on a design aspect or a method of doing something so we can incorperat it in our own work, I would even like to find out more about the people behind the work wether it be professional or the excelent amatures/hobby woodworkers on this site !

That is where i disagree with the piddly little write up tucked at the bottom of a page in GWW, I think it should show a bit more interest in the site rather than a couple of off the cuff remarks about one or two of the slightly more humerous things that have happened ! they are not going to drawer in the hundreds of other potential members who read GWW.

I dont like to lay the blame at the feet of the person who writes this bit, as the magazine allots the space !!

Maybe a little more space and a bit more interest wouldn't go a miss,! or even some actual reviews of the site, maybe like Ben some interaction with the site to find out whats going on.

Ralph

Mike Garnham30/06/2008 08:12:00
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Mike Riley wrote (see)
I haven't got a great interest inother people's projects myself or at least not it the blow by blow of how they made them. Im much more interested in why they made them. What I make bears no relation to someone else's plans or design usually, I can't remember the last time I read a project piece, or a blurb about jigs or power tool review. Far more interested in the design, process and practice myself. GWW veered over that way under Dave R, personally I hope it stays that way. Cheers Mike

Mike,

I completely and utterly agree with every single word in this quote. This is why I never buy any of the magazines.

If some of the pieces featured in the magazines were analysed for design rather than construction, and if some were selected because of their design, the magazines would be a much more appealing proposition. Ask the "why" questions, not the "how" questions.

Fundamentally, although we'll all deny it, building furniture (and most other things out of wood) is actually quite simple. Making connections between two bits of wood is easy, with lots of possible variations. Even the most seemingly complex pieces are just lots of repetions of two bits of wood being joined. We spend time discussing the process of joining...........we should instead be spending that time looking at the design choices (lines, proportions, details, materials etc.).

Woodworking shows fall into the same trap. 

They give us aisle after aisle of stuff to aid the joining of two bits of wood........bigger and better bits of kit to make the job easier, more accurate, quicker etc......but don't do anything to satisfy the essence of why I do woodworking......creativity.

Inspire me......don't instruct me!

Mike 

Doug30/06/2008 09:05:00
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I seem to remember years ago in one of the magazines, i think the chap was David Savage, he wrote a two page piece each month on what had been going through his workshop.

If I remember right, this was more concerned with designs etc, than the blow by blow construction details.

As for the woodwork shows, at the big events there are usually loads of different pieces on display, with many different competition categories. The winners & runners up usually featuring in a 2 or 3 page spreads in 1 magazine or another.

The exhibition of peoples work is one of the things i used to look forward to at the midland woodworking show. I`m hoping it`s something that has been retained, now the show has been rescheduled

Baz 

Mike Riley30/06/2008 09:20:00
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it was indeed David Savage. A lot of his articles are now to be found on his website http://www.finefurnituremaker.com/ and make for very good reading too I think. A magazine has to have a balance I guess unless it's going to become so specialist that the market (which is small in the UK particularly compared to the US) will no longer bear it. I think GWW is managing to achieve it, obviously I have to declare an interest here but even so. The wee blurb about the website is probably only an attempt to draw in readers from her, be inclusive so to speak and prompt other readers of the mag to come here. Cross promotional, I can't see that it needs more space and I don't think there's anything much there to get heated over. Worse has been posted here. Mike G glad I'm not the only one thinking that way. Cheers Mike
Mike Garnham30/06/2008 09:42:00
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Baz,

I went to Ally Pally a few years ago, and there were only 2 pieces of work on display......and one was really quite poor.

As that put me off woodworking shows altogether, my comment about shows was based only on the websites and on people's comments, rather than my own experience since that one visit. If they now genuinely show lots of examples of inspirational woodwork, I might give them another chance. Any recommendations?

Mike 

Doug30/06/2008 09:53:00
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The old Midlands show was run, i think by Nexus, the magazine publishers.

There were some very good prizes to be won so this might be why enteries were high, in both number & quality.

The show wasn`t run last year, so i went for the first (& last) time to the Ally Pally, & was very dissapointed.

I can`t say what this years Midlands show will be like, i hope i won`t be dissapointed. I`ve been told it`s being run by the same people who do Harrowgate show, which is said to be excellent. Only time will tell.

Baz

Mike Garnham30/06/2008 09:53:00
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......further to my previous.........

David Savage's chairs here have only half a dozen or so joins in them. I am no more interested in the the construction of the joints than I am in this years tractor production figures from Kazakhstan.........don't tell me how me made these...........tell me why they look as they do. What was their inspiration, their genesis, their design evolution?

Furthermore, can someone tell me why I am on GW when I should be designing a house? The answer, I'm afraid, is implicit in the question!

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