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Olly Parry-Jones17/06/2008 10:05:00
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Sparky, I don't think I've read any comments from someone who's been happy with a £200 table saw purchase. I used to own one myself (Fox, identical to Axminster and one of the Ryobi's) and it was noisy, inaccurate, the riving knife (splitter, actually) moves from side to side and gets in the way of the timber... I was glad to sell it for £70 nearly two-years later!

At the very least, I think you should be looking to spend a bit more on a modern clone of the Kity 419, which is a very popular model. Axminster do one, as do Rutlands and also Charnwood. They'll only cut 2" deep but feature a quiet induction motor, sliding table/carriage and offer a good width of ripping capacity you won't get with a cheaper saw.

Axminster offer the best price (£280) but you'll get a longer warranty with either of the other two. My opinions here are based on the comments I've read in Good Woodworking in the past and also from people who've purchased these machines on UKW.

Hope this helps.

Ben, congratulations on the new job/role. Looking forward to hearing more about it. 

Ralph Harvey17/06/2008 16:39:00
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Marc

The trouble with those saws is they are on the whole made from the same basic frame ?

They all have the same faults and to a certain degree the same good points, in most cases they are imported and the standard is set by the company importing who will decide how good a finish they have.

I have had a cheap one my brother gave me and it has the same faults Olly remarks on, only difference was that because of the cheap plastic blade guard, (the yellow bit in the  second picture down) when a piece of timber snatched out of my hands it went streight through the guard and snapped a casting, the saw is now a pile of scrap,

I realize this is an exceptional circumstance but the underlying faults are still there, i can not speak for all saws but look at how simmilar some of the cheaper ones are. !

Sparky17/06/2008 19:13:00
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Olly & Ralph

Thankyou both, really appreciate your comments there, a great help.

My main problem would be space and this was why I bought the Wolf Master cut,

http://www.wolfcraft.de/workarea/supplier/sWolfcraft/documents/200/6165000.jpg


But, the fence is crap so I use a length of wood clamped between the vice and fence to get a 'straight' cut and the mitre is really loose between the channel (I most probably got the Friday 4pm version!). This is OK until I need to cut larger materials which I will be needing for a couple of projects at a later date. The good thing about this is it folds up really well.

  I do like the Axminsters TS-200 as it looks a good solid machine even Fox 200mm at Rutlands looks great but at £400 is way to high for my budget. Again with Charnwoods.

http://www.axminster.co.uk//images/products/600822_xl.jpg

 Thanks very much for the links and it gives me more of an insight to other models.As the saying goes, "want to produce quality goods buy quality goods"Marc
Doug17/06/2008 19:58:00
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Marc what size timber/ sheets are you wanting to cut?

Most of the saws mentioned are fairy limited in cutting capacities.

Doug17/06/2008 20:12:00
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Marc

If its depth of cut you want there`s a bandsaw at £45 in the classifieds.

Or if it`s trees you want to put through it i`ve still got that huge wadkin bandsaw, you`d just have to empty your shed first.

Baz

Sparky17/06/2008 20:22:00
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Baz

Many thanks for that mate. Looks like something I need but, he's not taking messages (why do they do that!). I've left post and now awaiting.......

Thanks again.

Marc

Doug17/06/2008 20:31:00
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What size of material are you looking to cut.

Baz

Ralph Harvey17/06/2008 20:48:00
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Baz

You seem to know about machines, what in your oppinion is the best "cheaper" Bandsaw, that will cut 150mm in height, or do i need to pay more,

Don't realy have a budget but need to work out what i will need.

Ralph

Sparky17/06/2008 20:59:00
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Hi Baz

Table saw wise would be around 3-5" and bandsaw wise would be around 6-10" (ideal for logs).

Have you one ready for me to collect ?

Doug17/06/2008 21:34:00
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Ralph.

I`ve just bought the Record BS300X www.recordpower.co.uk  The X has the treadle leg stand great if you need to move it around, also 3 extra blades & is suposed to take a 3/4 blade, though i`ve not tried that yet.

Got mine from www.dm-tools.co.uk  Record seemed to give the most for the money.

Sparky.

I was offered a flip type chop/table saw a while a go, Elu/dewalt type you might have to stretch your budget a little, not much, i can enquire if you want.

Baz

Mike Garnham17/06/2008 22:01:00
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Ralph,

I got a really decent machine on eBay for £150........and there were lots to choose from. To cut 6 inches you really need to be considering a machine with wheels of at least 14" diameter, and they are fairly pricey new. Do a bit of research, but you should be able to find something that is surprisingly good for surprisingly little money if you buy second hand.

Mike 

Ralph Harvey17/06/2008 22:35:00
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Mike

As a comlete novice on how and whys of machinary, what is the significance of the wheel size ?

Ralph

Doug18/06/2008 05:59:00
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Ralph

If you are looking for a second hand one, this blue Axminster looks a good one :-

http://crafts.search.ebay.co.uk/bandsaw_Woodworking_W0QQfromZR34QQsacatZ3126

2 days to go, no bids & a £50 reserve.

Going back to Record, if you are looking for new, they offer a 5 year warrenty.

I usually buy second hand,on large machinery, but after buying two duff second hand bandsaws i decided to go for the record.

The problem i found was if guides etc were worn, they are so dear, that unless you got the machine virtually free it wasn`t worth spending the money on it. Also the one machine, you could set up the blade, get it tracking right then after a couple of cuts it needed re-tracking.

In the end i bit the bullet, spent the money & have been very pleased.

The best of luck with your search.

Baz

Ralph Harvey18/06/2008 07:25:00
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Baz  Thanks this is one i am watching long with a Dewalt one just waiting to see what happens as they drawer to a close.

Ralph

Mike Garnham18/06/2008 07:56:00
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Baz,

when you say guides are expensive, are you referring to bearing-type guides? .....because the block guides are very cheap..........nay.........free! 

I tried to buy some new ones for mine from Axminster, and they said they don't bother selling them any more because everyone just cuts their own out of beech.

I did have to buy 2 new bearings for mine (£12 ish total), and that resolved the play in the top wheel.

Ralph,

the wheel size is a measurement of the size of the machine. If you are looking to cut material 6" thick, then you will need a reasonably powerful machine, and it will have to be physically big enough for the timber to fit under the top guides........incidentally, the Ferm you were looking at will only cut 85mm. My 14" machine copes with that size well, so I suggest you go for something similar. Nothing worse than spending money and discovering the machine isn't up to the job.

Incidentally, the main advantage for me is that it occupies such a small floor area....about 2 feet by 2 feet........and they are really quiet in operation.

Mike 

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